ext_124563 ([identity profile] fialleril.livejournal.com) wrote in [personal profile] wordsworn 2011-07-14 04:44 am (UTC)

sorry for totally taking over your comments, alory_shannon

Out of curiosity, what do you think could/would have started the Jotunheim-Asgard war? And why the frag would the Jotuns have been on Midgard?

Ha ha WELL. I actually strongly suspect that Asgard started the war originally, for a couple of reasons: 1) The Asgardians are clearly the dominant people of the Nine Realms, with all the arrogance and unexamined privilege that goes with that. 2) Asgardians seem to have stronger prejudices against the Jotnar than vice versa. Certainly the Jotnar want their Casket back (not surprising, if it is indeed the lifeblood of their world!), and they seem to want revenge against Odin (which, again, is not particularly surprising), but they don't seem to have an ingrained cultural prejudice against Asgardians as such, and they certainly don't seem to have the same dehumanizing rhetoric about Asgardians that the Asgardians have about them. 3) Thor's initial attitude of "I'm Asgardian so I can just waltz in here and do whatever I want, respect for other peoples' sovereignty be damned" seems like it would be a very common one in Asgard. Thor's going off to fight the Frost Giants and it's seen as going on an adventure. Loki, Sif, and the Warriors Three are initially leery of the idea, but only because it's risky and dangerous, not because it's, oh, maybe problematic to go barging into another people's country and pick fights with them for the lulz. (Even if you did catch some of their people trying to steal something from your realm. Something that, you know, actually belongs to them anyway, and that seems to be a priceless cultural artifact, and perhaps more. So. Not really the same as starting a deadly battle for kicks, at all.)

Anyway, not to put too fine a point on it, but I basically see Asgard as the dominant realm which has more or less colonized all the others. (You see this with Midgard at the beginning of the film, with the implication that the Norse cultures were actually based on Asgardian culture - i.e., Asgard basically colonized Midgard and installed their own culture.) Jotunheim, I strongly suspect, was the last hold-out realm, and still the realm that tends to be most rebellious. I also think it's much more likely that the battle between Asgard and Jotunheim just spilled over onto Midgard than it is that the Jotnar were attacking Midgard for the lulz. (As a side note, the Jotnar don't seem to have a way of getting to Asgard without Loki's secret routes. Possibly Midgard is the only other realm they could get to?) However, that probably pretty quickly turned into attacking the humans of Midgard because they were allied with Asgard and clearly buying into Asgardian culture.

Also, I am totally okay with you using any of these ideas! I would love to see some fic about some of these things, and I know myself well enough to realize I will probably never get around to writing it. ;) Plus I just would really like to read someone else's take. Send me a link if you do end up writing something?

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